America's melting pot has many rich flavors.

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 01/29/2020 at 09:56 • Filed to: None

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Does this map make anyone else hungry...?

Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:03

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functionoverfashion > Nibby 01/29/2020 at 10:06

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Turning radius infinite

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:07

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Today I learned that there are a bunch of different dialects in the Indian language.

And what’s with Somali up in Minnesota?   Wouldn’t have guessed that one at all.  

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibby 01/29/2020 at 10:07

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‘Murica.

Nibby > functionoverfashion 01/29/2020 at 10:09

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where we’re going, we don’t need to turn

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:10

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Yup - it’s a big country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Somalis_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul

Cé hé sin > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:15

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Here's more: there's no Indian language. The constitution recognises 22 main languages, many of which have their own alphabet. There are many more 

For Sweden > functionoverfashion 01/29/2020 at 10:15

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Turning Radius: F-104 Starfighter

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:16

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I wondered, as I’m sure a lot of people did, regarding Nepali in Nebraska. Apparently there was a notably large refugee settling there a while back. On consideration, it made more sense than some. I wonder if as ancestrally off-mountain plains folk, they ever compare notes with the population one state over...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:19

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There was a major refugee program with, I think, the Lutherans chiefly involved. As a result, a couple of districts have substantial Somali enclaves.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:21

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There’s a huge Somali diaspora in Minnesota, I thought that was pretty widely known.

I’m more surprised by the Nepalese, Portuguese  and Dutch.

phenotyp > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:25

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There’s a very sizeable Somali refugee population in MN. It’s really interesting. There’s a great podcast episode of the Wilderness (warning, obviously political), which touches on the impacts of how people in MN have reacted to/moved forward with each other.

My sister went to Macalester College in St. Paul, and the most surprising thing to me was how international, diverse, and far-reaching the communities in the Twin Cities are. Kofi Annan’s son( ? nephew? relative, anyway) was a classmate of my sister’s.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:25

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surprised theres not much dutch in there considering all the dutch sirnames over there

then i again i do recall hearing somewhere many dutch immigrants wouldnt speak dutch once they got there so as not to stand out as immigrants

you’d have to follow the stroopwafels i guess

Ash78, voting early and often > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 01/29/2020 at 10:26

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Yep, when I think of Somali immigrants to the US, Minnesota is #1. It’s been going on for a couple decades I think.

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:28

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Wonder what modern Navajo or Sioux cuisine is like. 

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:28

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I think I’m most surprised by Arabic in WV, and Tagalog, period.

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:28

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Looking at the biggest states in the country, I’m really surprised at Tagalog in CA — I would have guessed that would be way behind Korean and Chinese. I had no idea the Filipino concentration was so high there.

Same with FL...I don’t think I’ve ever heard Haitian Creole spoken. Not even sure I believe the stat.

Vietnamese in TX isn’t too shocking. Houston and Dallas (#4 and #5 biggest cities in the US) have huge SE Asian populations.

Nepali in Nebraska? Wow, that’s a pretty obscure one.

nerd_racing > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:30

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I’m guessing the Chinese for NY is heavily biased towards NYC. If you just counted upstate I’d bet Frenc h would win out.

dogisbadob > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:31

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Isn’t PA “Dutch” actually German? The English settlers heard people there calling themselves Deutsch which they confused for Dutch but it’s actually the German word for German

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:31

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German in SC...25 years of residency with BMW and its suppliers will do that.

Just interesting to see the economic tail wagging the cultural dog.

Ash78, voting early and often > For Sweden 01/29/2020 at 10:36

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Turning Radius: F-104 Starfighter

The F-150 is 46 better than the F-104, and it also flies a lot better.

A Boy and His Longtail > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:38

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But not faster. Who needs turning when you can have speeeeeeeeeeeed?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/29/2020 at 10:44

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My mother’s family tree has a Van Sutphen/Zutphen, but I think that was over a century ago, and I don’t think they were speaking Dutch at home even then.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > phenotyp 01/29/2020 at 10:44

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Thanks for the link.

functionoverfashion > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:44

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Unless it’s golf

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > dogisbadob 01/29/2020 at 10:47

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Yeah, it’s a variant of German. I didn’t know the Deutsch/Dutch history - very interesting. 

Also:

The lexical similarity between German and Dutch is roughly as similar as that between Spanish and Italian. While German and Dutch are quite similar in terms of vocabulary, they do differ significantly grammatically. This is because Dutch has evolved to have a ‘simpler’ grammar structure for a learner.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/29/2020 at 10:48

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I will follow stroopwafels anywhere.

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:49

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It’s a good show.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:49

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Source:

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs

DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove 01/29/2020 at 10:49

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Navajo food is really good. Navajo tacos are great. Pretty similar to a Mexican Huarache. If you want to go more traditional and are a bit adventurous, achii is really good.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:49

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Not isolated to that. Not at all. Actually, in both NC and SC there were German immigrants dating back to the very earliest settlements, and the Moravian group particularly had long term communities. Portions of the lower Appalachians are very German in a way regarding terrain, though the settlers of the piedmonts were more out of the Rheinland than Bavaria (cough, Helen GA). What intensified this in more modern years was actually that some WWII German POW camps were located in SC, and finding a comfortable place, many immigrated after the war - and those that didn’t, told their friends.

That’s what fueled BMW’s interest.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:51

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https://www.carolana.com/SC/Royal_Colony/sc_royal_colony_german_swiss.html

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/29/2020 at 10:52

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eh...wouldnt be dutch as it is now thats for sure

its such a mashup of language its kinda hard to tell when it became dutch

jimz > Nibby 01/29/2020 at 10:52

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STOP IT

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > phenotyp 01/29/2020 at 10:52

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About 4 million Filipinos in the US.

jimz > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:53

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No surprise about Michigan.  Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, Westland, and Sterling Heights. 

benn454 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:55

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 Good lord, those poor people. Did no one warn them about Minnesota winters? It's the airport scene from Cool Runnings all over again.

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:55

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Of course! It was a blind spot on my part. I would have guessed Mandarin or Cantonese.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove 01/29/2020 at 10:55

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http://navajopeople.org/blog/navajo-food/

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/10/07/354053768/the-sioux-chef-is-putting-pre-colonization-food-back-on-the-menu

Ash78, voting early and often > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/29/2020 at 10:56

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Wow, TIL — thanks.

I always thought Helen was just sort of a kitschy joke more than anything. I had no idea there were any major German settlements across the South at all, I always imagined them mainly in the Midwest

(my own ancestry.com profile actually separates Bavarian and US Midwestern German as nearly distinct heritages)

benn454 > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 10:57

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 Remember to yield to oncoming bombers.

jminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 10:59

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Polish in Illinois and German in so many o ther places surprises me.

Although I just kisses the *not including Spanish so this makes more sense to me now.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti 01/29/2020 at 10:59

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Mmm... frybread.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > phenotyp 01/29/2020 at 11:01

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Wouldn’t have been a bad guess.

and 100 more > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 11:01

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Here’s a mindfuck - There is still a substantial population of Germans living in Mexico and Central America, most from the same e migration wave that populated the US South. Many beer companies that started in Mexico were started by German immigrants.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jminer 01/29/2020 at 11:05

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Chariotoflove > phenotyp 01/29/2020 at 11:05

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Phillipino culture is everywhere, even here in North Texas. And the food is awesome.

If you like comedy, check out Jo Koy. Hilarious. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jminer 01/29/2020 at 11:06

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In the United States, German Americans are the largest ethnic group. There are around 50 million Americans of at least partial German ancestry in the United States, or 17% of the U.S. population, the country’s largest self-reported ancestral group. [85] including various groups such as the Pennsylvania Dutch . Of these, 23 million are of German ancestry alone (“single ancestry”), and another 27 million are of partial German ancestry, making them the largest group in the United States, followed by the Irish. Of those who claim partial ancestry, 22 million identify their primary ancestry (“first ancestry”) as German. The 22 million Americans of primarily German ancestry are by far the largest part of the German diaspora, a figure equal to over a quarter of the population of Germany itself. Germans form just under half the population in the Upper Midwest . [86] [87]

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/29/2020 at 11:08

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Re: P ortuguese - bear in mind that this is the language of Brazil, so most of this is likely Brazilian diaspora, which is fairly large.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 11:10

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Helen *is* a kitschy joke, but it’s a kitschy joke in the kind of terrain that historically appealed quite strongly to Germans, and with plenty of Germans (if not Bavarians per se) within a short hail. The Moravians were (“Bavarian”) Palatinate Germans, so kind of like Lowland Scots to Highland Scots relative to the echte Bayerische.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > and 100 more 01/29/2020 at 11:12

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Yep. Dos Equis is pretty much just an ordinary German lager...

phenotyp > Chariotoflove 01/29/2020 at 11:16

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For sure, on all counts.

just-a-scratch > DipodomysDeserti 01/29/2020 at 11:20

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Frybread is wonderful stuff with a conflicted history.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/frybread-79191/

I like the stuff these folks make:

https://www.offthereztruck.com/about

Nibby > jimz 01/29/2020 at 11:26

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not quite as long as the red wings longest losing streak th is season

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 11:27

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Yeah, I knew it would be Brazilian, but I didn’t know there was that large a community in those states.

jimz > Nibby 01/29/2020 at 11:31

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Ash78, voting early and often > and 100 more 01/29/2020 at 11:44

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Now THAT part I knew a little about , but didn’t realize it had any ties/parallels to the US. The similarities between a lot of Mexican folk music (like Norteño?) and German is very strong, too — especially with the addition of the accordion.

i86hotdogs > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 12:12

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Fun fact: Chicago is the second largest community of polish people after Warsaw with about 1.5 million people in or around the metro area.

BigBlock440 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/29/2020 at 12:14

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The Pennsylvania Dutch are the Amish, PA has a large population.

jminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 12:21

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My family is one of those German ones (St Louis) but noo 4 generations back spoke any German. I know a lot of folks that are German in heritage, but none actually speak German.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jminer 01/29/2020 at 12:27

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Both sides of my family are Germans who came to Missouri as well.

There was some German spoken when my dad was a kid (less during and after the war), and he knows it pretty well. We actually lived there for a year and half when I was a baby. I know some, but can’t really speak it, same as a couple of my brothers. One brother studied there and can speak it pretty well.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 12:29

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Guess how many people speak Portuguese in the US?

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One Brazillion. =)

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > BigBlock440 01/29/2020 at 12:42

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Ah there you go.  We don’t have the Amish in Western Canada.  Hutterites, yes, but they speak German.

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 12:58

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I like where I live north of Chicago- the people are very colorful and I hear many different languages.  I find the hospital and the local public pool particularly so. 

foghat1981 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 13:07

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I’m surprised Hindi didn’t make the cut.  Gujarati in New Jersey is the closest.  I wonder if that’s b/c Hindi really isn’t the national language in India, so all of the various Indians here would get splintered (e.g., Punjabi, Tamil, etc.)

DipodomysDeserti > just-a-scratch 01/29/2020 at 13:22

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Frybread is wonderful stuff with a conflicted history.

I’d say that describe pretty much every aspect of native american culture.

Thomas Donohue > Ash78, voting early and often 01/29/2020 at 13:22

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Haitians have been emigrating to Florida (and elsewhere) for decades....the ‘boat people’ seeking asylum from the 70's and 80's.

Unless you’re in North Miami/Little Haiti, you’re not likely to hear the language.

PatBateman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 13:39

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Bò Né all day every day.

I’ll save you the google search and just tell you that it’s Vietnamese steak and eggs. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 01/29/2020 at 13:39

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That sounds... amazing.

Ash78, voting early and often > Thomas Donohue 01/29/2020 at 13:47

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Good call, probably a few dense pockets of diaspora skewing the total. When I lived in FL for 10+ years , I knew people from almost every Caribbean nation — but no Haitians that I can remember. Just anecdotal.

ranwhenparked > dogisbadob 01/29/2020 at 14:58

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Yes, the English speaking population confused the word "Deutsche" with "Dutch" , so the German settlers in Pennsylvania ended up being called Dutch. There are some that prefer to be called "Pennsylvania German" , but, for the most part, they've long since accepted the misnomer. 

ranwhenparked > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 15:00

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New England has a sizeable population from, or descended from, Portugal itself. Sure, there’s Brazilians, too, but a decent number of European Portuguese as well. Seem to be traditionally associated with the fishing industry.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > ranwhenparked 01/29/2020 at 15:11

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Interesting, I did not know that. All of the Portuguese speakers that I know (in the southeast) are from Brazil.

ranwhenparked > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 15:21

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How is Hawaii's not Japanese?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ranwhenparked 01/29/2020 at 15:28

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People of Filipino descent make up a large and growing part of the State of Hawaii’s population. In 2000 they were the third largest ethnic group and represented 22.8% of the population, [3] but more recently, according to the 2010 United States Census data indicates they have become the second largest ethnicity in Hawaii (25.1% in 2010), after Whites .

feather-throttle-not-hair > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 15:33

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Correct me if i’m wrong, but I thought they spoke Tagalog in the Philippines.

Edit: Googled it. Interesting!

Edit 2: wait a minute, how are you going to have 2 languages for the Philippines and only one for China?

feather-throttle-not-hair > ranwhenparked 01/29/2020 at 15:39

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Yeah I remember being a little kid in Boston and playing youth soccer, all the kids on my team were the children of Brazilian immigrants. And yea, they were all really really good at soccer.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > feather-throttle-not-hair 01/29/2020 at 15:42

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China has Mandarin and Cantonese (and they’re communist...).

Aaa nd it’s not that simple. LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_China

DasWauto > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/29/2020 at 15:44

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Can confirm,  I’m a Dutch immigrant in Canada and I rarely speak any Dutch anymore, only really when a relative is visiting from Holland or vice versa.

DasWauto > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/29/2020 at 15:48

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Amusingly, I was born in Zutphen, so your family hails from the same area as mine. 

Kanaric > jminer 01/29/2020 at 18:19

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As someone originally from chicago polish in illinois is not surprised at all what so ever. Literally polish ads everywhere, if you get a cleaning service it’s polish immigrants. It’s comparable to how spanish and latinos are in other areas wher eyou see ads in the language and all that everywhere . P eople say things like it has more polish people than Warsaw.

PatBateman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/29/2020 at 19:38

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Served with pate and a French baguette.  I don’t eat pho because of all the sugar, but that Bò Né?  Hell yes. 

ranwhenparked > and 100 more 01/29/2020 at 19:52

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Further south, too. My mother’s family is German, and she has relatives in Paraguay, of all places. That’s pretty much the only place where her maiden name shows up at all other than the US or Germany itself.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 01/29/2020 at 21:53

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Sugar in pho?

and 100 more > ranwhenparked 01/30/2020 at 00:31

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Wow, I didn't realize they had migrated so far south, y'know, aside from Argentina, but that's a different thing...

duurtlang > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 01/30/2020 at 02:51

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There is no Dutch there. ‘P ennsylvania D utch’ is a German dialect, it has nothing to do with the actual Dutch language .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch

duurtlang > jminer 01/30/2020 at 02:54

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I imagine t he two world wars motivated German-Americans at the time to retire the language.

duurtlang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/30/2020 at 03:01

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While German and Dutch are quite similar in terms of vocabulary, they do differ significantly grammatically.

Tell me about it. My native language is Dutch, and I moved to Germany a few years ago. I was 34 at the time. Having a proper conversation in German is quite easy to me and I can read a German news paper or watch the news just fine, but getting the grammar right is an impossibility.

pip bip - choose Corrour > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/30/2020 at 03:45

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a lot of Indians in New York?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > duurtlang 01/30/2020 at 09:25

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Yeah, it’s so ridiculous (I took 3 years of German in high school).

Do you wonder if others are secretly judging you in conversation? Ha!

PatBateman > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/03/2020 at 10:48

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Yup. Most pho broths have sugar in it.

Surprise!!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 02/03/2020 at 10:50

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I don’t think of it as sweet at all, but there’s sugar hiding in all kinds of foods...

BigBlock440 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 04/20/2020 at 13:47

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Pennsylvania Dutch is similar to German, mistranslation of “ sprechen sie deutsch” way back when. We have Hutterites too, still call it Pennsylvania Dutch, because I guess it’s not Dutch Dutch.